The Tyre Tech That Transforms Race Day
Join the MindFit Athlete team as they break down the science and strategy behind choosing the perfect road bike tires for race day. Discover how the smallest tweaks in tire selection, pressure, and setup can save you serious watts and transform your ride, with real-world examples and tips you can use right away.
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Chapter 1
Introduction
Unknown Speaker
It's good to be back with you. I’m John and its my pleasure to be joined with Emily and Jamie. Today, we’re diving into a topic that, honestly, I used to think was just for tech-geeks and pros—road bike tyres. But, as it turns out, the humble tyre might be the single most important choice you can make for race day performance. We were all told it wasn't about the bike, now it seems it's not the wheels, not the frame, not even the helmet. It's all about the tyres. So it's tyres, tubes and.. turmoil!! All right-here on the MindFit Athlete podcast.
Emily Carter
You really could say this is the episode where the rubber meets the road, right?
Jamie Russell
It really is Emily. I think this episode could be quite divisive so I'm looking forward to see where we end up. Seems like there's been a bit of a revolution these last few years. Emily, you remember when we all thought performance depended on deep-section carbon wheels?
Emily Carter
Oh, absolutely. I used to drool over those disc wheels, thinking they were the secret sauce. But the more I learned, the more I realized that tyre choice can save you way more time for a fraction of the cost. I mean, some studies show you could save up to 16 minutes over an Ironman just by picking a fast tyre instead of a standard one. That’s wild! And, John, you always say, “bang for your buck”—well, tyres are it.
Jamie Russell
Yeah, and it’s funny, isn’t it? Because for years, the cool kids and the pros were all about tubulars. You know, those tyres you glue onto the rim—bit of a faff, quite honestly. Clinchers have always been there of course.
Unknown Speaker
And clinchers are the tyres all of us know - they have inner-tubes and the tyre "clinches" onto a bead within the wheel's rim.
Jamie Russell
Yes, but now we’ve got tubeless, which, I’ll admit, sounded unlikely to me at first. And there's the whole “wider is faster” and “lower pressure is better” thing. It’s like everything we thought we knew about tyres has been flipped upside down.
Emily Carter
To be honest Jamie, I find this whole area a little confusing and hard to get a handle on. It seems like tyre-tech is in state of change right now. I think I know that tubulars are out and tubeless is faster - and that's about where I am.
Unknown Speaker
It does seem a really good time to revisit what we think we know about bike tyres. It's certainly true that, for years, the wheel marketing people have done a great job. And it's been kind of easy for them as those deep carbon wheels look so cool. But, I have to say that now instead of picking your wheels first and then finding a tyre to fit, it’s almost the other way around. The tyre can dictate the wheel. So, I hope, we’re going to break down the science, the strategy, and the real-world choices—so the listener can make the best call for their next race, whether you’re a seasoned triathlete or just getting into the sport.
Chapter 2
Rolling Resistance
Emily Carter
Let’s start with rolling resistance, because this is where the magic—or the misery—happens. Rolling resistance is basically the friction your bike has to overcome to keep moving forward. Amazingly, tubes and tyres account for close to 10% of the resistance your bike needs overcome in order to move forward. So, the higher a tyre's rolling resistance is, the more power you need to go the same speed. And for triathletes, every watt saved is “free speed.”
Jamie Russell
Yeah, and the testing numbers are kind of shocking. Like, take the 25 millimetre Veloflex Record Clincher. It's rolling resistance is 20.1 watts per tyre at 45kph. But then you look at something like the 23 millimetre Cadex Race Tubeless TLR, and that has a rolling resistance of 48.3 watts per tyre. That’s a 28-watt difference per tyre! You’re talking about a massive gap. I mean, how long would it take you to increase your FTP by 28 watts? That’s months if not years of training for most of us.
Unknown Speaker
So, it seems the construction of the tyre is what really matters. Some compounds and casings just roll better. For example, a Pirelli tubeless-ready tyre can be about 5 watts faster just because of its design. And that’s one reason that tubeless is getting so much attention—there’s no friction between the tube and the tyre casing, so you lose less energy. So our first key point is that not all tyres are created equally. Regardless of tubeless or clincher there is a huge range of tyre performance. Researching and picking the best tyre you can afford is where to start.
Jamie Russell
But it’s not just in the tyres John. I think that most of us know that latex tubes were a big upgrade over standard butyl tubes. For example Michelin’s latex tubes can save you nearly 4 watts in rolling resistance. But now we’ve got TPU tubes, which are even lighter and roll better than butyl.
Unknown Speaker
TPU - can you explain that Jamie?
Jamie Russell
Sorry everyone - I shouldn't assume. TPU stands for Thermo-plastic Polyurethane. Now here's the thing: testing shows the difference between a tubeless tyre and a top-end clincher tyre with a latex or TPU tube is minimal. In the lab, it’s less than a watt. In the real world that means "no real difference."
Unknown Speaker
That is really interesting. So if you’re listening and you don’t know why you’re riding the tyres you have, this is your wake-up call. In triathlon tyre choice isn’t just about avoiding flats—it’s about saving your legs for the run, too. Efficiency is crucial. And honestly, the wrong tyre could be costing you way more than you think.
Chapter 3
Optimizing Tire Pressure
Jamie Russell
Alright, let’s talk tyre pressure, because this is also where a lot of us can benefit & it won't cost you anything to get it right. The old thinking was, “pump it up as hard as you can, and you’ll go faster.” But that’s only approximately true in velodromes and very smooth roads—which, let’s be honest, most of us never see.
Emily Carter
Exactly. On real-world roads, if your tyres are over-inflated, they bounce over every bump.
Jamie Russell
That’s called “suspension loss”—energy that should be moving you forward is wasted pushing you up and down. Plus, it’s uncomfortable. But if you go too low on pressure, you get more friction because more of the tyre touches the road. The sweet spot is keeping the tyre in constant contact with the road, letting it deform just enough to absorb bumps without bouncing.
Emily Carter
Comfort is something I think about with bike-fit and aero-position, but I've never really considered the tyres as a factor.
Jamie Russell
Emily, it's not only about comfort, though that’s a huge bonus for triathletes. Lower pressure—within reason—means a bigger contact patch, so you get better grip, especially in corners or on wet roads. To help you with this there are pressure calculators online, like the SILCA Professional Tire Pressure Calculator. These websites allow you to plug in your tyre width, weight, and road surface to get a recommended pressure. It seems a bit nerdy, but try it and see..
Unknown Speaker
And for triathletes, that comfort is gold. Less road buzz means less fatigue, so you’re fresher for the run. And if you’re racing in the rain, dropping your pressure a bit can make a big difference in safety and confidence. So, don’t just max out your PSI—find what actually works for you and your course.
Chapter 4
Choosing the Right Tyre Width
Jamie Russell
So, lets move onto tyre width. Do you know your tyre width? How did you decide or did you let Amazon decide for you?
Unknown Speaker
Firstly, can we make sure we're all in the same place. Let's say your tyre's size might be 700 by 23C. The first number (the "700") is the overall diameter of the tyre and the second number (the "23") indicates the tyre's width in millimetres. The C refers to the rim size expressed by a letter code. I used to be 23 millimetres but did read that 25 millimetres might be faster so I've moved up.
Jamie Russell
You're exactly right John. If you stay at 23 or even 25 millimetres you are probably leaving speed on the table. The old standard was 23 but now 25 is the norm, and 28, 30 or even 32 millimetres is becoming more common, especially for comfort and versatility.
Emily Carter
It's so counter-intuitive. You'd think a wider tyre would have more rolling resistance.
Jamie Russell
Exactly, and here’s the twist—wider tyres, when run at the right pressure, can actually have lower rolling resistance than narrower ones. It is counterintuitive. But the bigger air volume means the tyre can deform more easily over bumps, so you lose less energy. Plus, wider tyres are less likely to pinch flat, because there’s more distance before the rim hits the ground.
Unknown Speaker
I’ve got an actual example of this. The 2024 70.3 Worlds were in New Zealand right? Well, you know how New Zealand roads have that rough textured chip-seal surface? A triathlete I know chose 28 millimetre Continental GP-5000s run at 87 PSI. During training they found that lower pressure made long rides way more comfortable and reduced punctures. And honestly, if you’re not rattled to death by the road, you’re going to ride better and run better off the bike.
Emily Carter
So, the message here is to check your frame clearance and rim compatibility, but don’t be afraid to experiment going wider?
Jamie Russell
Definitely. The research shows that, for most of us, a wider tyre at lower pressure is actually faster and more comfortable. And that’s a win-win.
Chapter 5
Tubeless (In Seattle)
Unknown Speaker
Alright, let’s get into tubeless, because this is where things get really interesting. Tubeless tyres don’t use an inner tube—they seal directly to the rim, with a bit of liquid sealant inside. This tech started in mountain biking, but now it’s everywhere, even in the Tour de France. I have to admit though, I'm really reluctant to try these.
Emily Carter
Oh John, you can be such a dinosaur!! The big big, big advantage with tubeless is puncture protection?
Jamie Russell
Well, lets go through it. For a tubeless system to function, several components work in conjunction. Firstly there needs to be an airtight rim bed - which is the base of the "U" shaped bit of the wheel where you can see the outer edge of the spokes. It' the place that an inner tube would sit in. There's no inner tube with a tubeless so that rim base must be airtight. This is achieved by applying special tape around the rim to seal off the spoke holes. Next the tyre can't lose air from where it connects to the wheel. To do that the bead inside the tyre needs to be different. Tubeless tyres have a much stiffer, reinforced bead that won't stretch. This rigid bead is crucial for creating and maintaining the tight, airtight seal with the rim.
Unknown Speaker
Which makes it a nightmare to get off the rim if you need to.
Emily Carter
But you won't need to John - because the sealant lowers the risk of puncture.
Jamie Russell
That's the next difference. You have to add that sealant to the tyre when you fit it and it coats the inside. A lot like a car tyre. It's designed to fill tiny holes and automatically seal most small punctures as you ride along, often without you even noticing. That’s a huge race-saver, because a flat in a triathlon can be a disaster.
Emily Carter
And with no inner tube, you don’t get pinch flats—those “snake bites” from hitting a pothole.
Jamie Russell
Right. Going back to what we talked about earlier (because there’s no risk of pinch flats) you can run lower pressures, which means more comfort and grip. Modern wheels are almost all tubeless-compatible now, and all the big pro teams are using them.
Unknown Speaker
Yes, I get it. But Jamie, setting up tubeless can be an ordeal —sometimes messy and sometimes even tricky to just seat the tyre? It can be a struggle?
Jamie Russell
Yes, but like everything it gets better with practice. Once it’s on, it’s a game-changer for a lot of people.
Emily Carter
And .. if you do get a big puncture that the sealant can’t handle, you can still put a tube in and get home. But for most small stuff, tubeless just keeps you rolling. It’s not magic, but it’s close.
Chapter 6
Cutting through the hype & finding what really matters
Unknown Speaker
Let’s zoom out and review what we've covered. Seems to me the most important thing, whether you go clincher or tubeless, is the tyre construction. There are some really slow tyres out there, so invest in a top-end model. A slow tubeless tyre will be slower than a fast clincher, no question.
Jamie Russell
Yeah, and the fastest tyres—like the Veloflex Record, Vittoria Corsa Pro Speed, or Continental GP5000 TT—are all about the compound and casing. The TPI, or threads per inch, makes a difference in how supple and fast the tyre feels. And don’t forget, a top-end clincher with a TPU tube can be lighter than a tubeless setup, sometimes by 140 grams or more. But honestly, that’s only worth three or four seconds over an Ironman. It's kind of academic.
Unknown Speaker
So after construction our next decision is tyre width followed by choosing a tyre pressure?
Jamie Russell
Almost John. I'd say after width you'd want to decide tubeless or clincher - then decide on pressure after that.
Emily Carter
Cost is another factor. Tubeless can be slightly cheaper up front, but it takes more time to set up and maintain. And if you’re running rim brakes, be careful with TPU tubes—they don’t like heat. But for most of us on disc brakes, it’s not an issue.
Jamie Russell
I think we now need to examine the whole area of puncture resilience. Let's agree that tubeless has a distinct advantage here. But can a clincher get close? I think it can -- if you pick the right tyre and tube combination. Firstly latex inner tubes are more puncture resistant than butyl. Also high-end TPU inner tubes have demonstrated greater puncture resistance than latex.
Unknown Speaker
I didn't know that about TPU - that's really interesting.
Jamie Russell
TPU is incredibly resilient, with high tensile strength and tear resistance. Imagine a material that can stretch significantly but is also remarkably tough against sharp objects. This combination makes it very difficult for thorns, glass, or other road debris to penetrate. Some manufacturers even produce TPU tubes with multiple layers or specific formulations to enhance puncture protection further. Also TPU tubes can be manufactured to be incredibly thin and light while maintaining their inherent strength. This allows for a very low weight without sacrificing significant puncture resistance.
Unknown Speaker
It seems to me that tubeless really can be harder to install and remove, especially if you’re dealing with a tight tyre bead. Some clincher tyres are hard enough to fit. But I can see the attraction of puncture protection from the sealant. On the other hand, you're saying high-end TPU tubes are durable and they are easy to swap out if you do get a flat.
Chapter 7
So where do you stand?
Jamie Russell
Alright, so where do you both stand? Emily, you’re team tubeless, right?
Unknown Speaker
Hold that thought Jamie!! We will be right back after this. It's 86 beats per minute so you can work on your run and cycle cadence - but only if it's safe to do so. What will you decide? Are you a Clincher or a Tubeless?
Emily Carter
Welcome back everyone. Alright Jamie. What we've discussed so far has made me think more about width and pressure. I'm maybe less fixed on this than I was but, especially on race day, tubeless (I still think) is a superior choice.
Jamie Russell
Say more about why Emily.
Emily Carter
Well, there are speed advantages that are real. We're talking about lower rolling resistance because you eliminate the friction of an inner tube rubbing against the tyre casing. I know that Pirelli claimed 4-5 watts saved by running it tubeless instead of with a butyl inner tube. That's significant! For an Olympic distance event, a 5-watt saving could mean 17 to 20 seconds faster.
Unknown Speaker
You have such a need for speed Emily !! I hear you on the speed. I think the key for me in what you just said was "butyl". That's not a fair comparison as most people race with latex. What we risk overlooking is the growing case for high-end clinchers paired with modern TPU tubes rather than latex or butyl. My argument is that these setups offer comparable performance with far less drama and mess. Yes, tubeless saves watts, but it's small. I don't think its a "real world" difference.
Emily Carter
John, if it's 2 watts then two watts is still two watts. Especially in a race where every second counts. And what about puncture protection? Tubeless systems will automatically seal small punctures as you ride and we both know a flat requiring a stop in a short race is a race-ender. Plus, no more pinch flats!
Unknown Speaker
That's true. Tubeless has a clear point of difference on small punctures. However, if you get a larger gash or tear that the sealant can't handle, the situation quickly becomes "very messy". You're left dealing with sealant all over your hands and bike, and you'll still need to insert a spare inner tube anyway.
Emily Carter
I do agree that with either tubeless or clincher we have to carry tubes for spares - so that's the same for both setups.
Unknown Speaker
It seems to me this is where high quality TPU tubes really shine. If, like Jamie says, they are much more puncture-resistant (even than latex) but still, if you do get a flat, they can be easily swapped out. It's "quick, clean, and hassle-free". Compared to struggling with a failed tubeless seal, that's got to be a huge advantage for roadside repairs?
Emily Carter
What about comfort John? You'd agree that tubeless can be ridden at lower pressure?
Unknown Speaker
I do agree. And you're right that lower pressures improve comfort, but remember that TPU tubes offer that too. They offer the possibility of significantly lower air pressures than conventional butyl tubes - increasing comfort and safety. So we're getting similar ride quality benefits. I'm not putting any store on the reduced weight from clinchers with TPU tubes as I also think it's an academic benefit.
Emily Carter
You have to believe that the professionals know what they are doing when they have changed from tubulars to tubeless. They didn't choose clinchers.
Unknown Speaker
That's because they have a team of people to do all the dirty work. They just have to show up and ride. Unfortunately we live in the real world. We have to set ours up ourselves and deal with the punctures ourselves. I'd choose tubeless too if someone just handed me a new bike every time I punctured.
Emily Carter
Alright, that's fair. But for optimal race day performance, particularly over longer distances like Half Ironman or Ironman, the cumulative speed and comfort benefits of tubeless seem to me to be significant. I think tubeless helps preserve energy for the run. The ability of sealant to handle small road debris without a stop is so reassuring - it keeps me confident that all the effort I've invested in training is going to get expressed in the race.
Unknown Speaker
I'm just the opposite. I have the same goal as you: to be confident. I also want to enjoy the race and I think a puncture over distance of 90 or 180k is a real prospect. I just don't know for sure that I'll be able to get that tubeless tyre off the rim. If I'm worried about a complicated, messy repair, that mental stress is something I can do without. With TPU tubes, it sounds like I'll have better puncture resistance.. And if I do flat, the repair is quick, clean, and hassle-free.
Emily Carter
John, it's important to me to know I did everything I could. Dotted the I's and "crossed the T's. I have dismissed clinchers as being outdated and slow but Jamie has really helped to bring me up to date. Both are high-performance options. And it's just like we are placing different emphasis on different things.
Unknown Speaker
I think you caught it perfectly Emily. Our research for the episode suggests there's no single 'fastest setup' that works for everyone in all conditions." I guess it comes down to what matters most to you—ultimate speed and puncture protection, or simplicity and ease of repair. If you don't have a major puncture both are great options, and the performance gap is tiny. Just make sure you know how to use whatever setup you choose! I’ve never used a TPU tube, but after this, I have to give it a go.
Jamie Russell
I love that. It’s not about being “right”—it’s about what works for you, your goals, and your peace of mind. And honestly, I’m just glad we have choices.
Chapter 8
Saboteur Thinking Drives Our Preferences
Jamie Russell
You know, listening to you two & knowing you as well as I do I think I could have predicted your choices. Emily for tubeless and John you for clincher. Can I offer to you that it's quite obvious how your inner Saboteurs might be shaping these choices? Emily, your drive for performance and control—made me think of the Hyper-Achiever and maybe a bit of Controller Saboteur too? You’re very driven, all about the numbers, the results, the external validation. It’s like, “If I’m not getting every possible watt, am I even trying?”
Emily Carter
Oh, that's really interesting Jamie. I think I'm guilty as charged! I do love chasing those measurable gains. And there is a pressure I put on myself to keep improving. I think I enjoy that ; but you’re right, sometimes I get so focused on the outcome that I forget to enjoy the process. And I definitely like the feeling of control that comes with knowing my tyres are as fast and protected as possible.
Unknown Speaker
I think what you're saying is exactly right Jamie. And thank-you for pointing it out. One of my top 2 Saboteurs is the Hyper-Vigilant and I see in myself a tendency to be wary of new things. You might even say I'm a classic late adopter. I was the last person in the Northern Hemisphere to stop using Lotus 1-2-3. Somehow, I gravitate to "what could go wrong" —what if I can’t get the tubeless tyre off, what if the sealant fails, what if I’m stuck on the side of the road? But that means I rarely think about "what if it went really well?" Maybe there’s a bit of Avoider in there, too. I just want a hassle-free experience, even if it means giving up a tiny bit of speed.
Jamie Russell
It’s fascinating, isn’t it? Our Saboteurs can make us blind to other options, or make us think our way is the only way. These are ways of thinking that have become auto-pilot for us. We just don't notice them. But if we can become aware of them, we might make more balanced choices. Choices that could serve us better?
Unknown Speaker
Well, I can absolutely see that I've wrongly judged TPU and just dismissed it rather than doing the Explore work to find out about what the technology means. That's Avoider for sure.
Chapter 9
Other examples
Emily Carter
I just love where you've taken this Jamie. Now you've mentioned it I can see how someone with a strong Hyper-Rational might obsess over every watt and data point, missing out on the comfort and joy of the ride. Maybe, I have a touch of that too?
Unknown Speaker
Good point Emily. Jamie mentioned that academic research paper on the impact of TPU tubes on weight reduction? Yes, the weight saving is helpful but honestly does it matter? A Hyper Rational would love that paper & already would have been stressing that they have the "wrong" tyres.
Emily Carter
Yeah, they'd get drawn into the paper and forget to do their workout - which actually does matter. I had the Stickler, in mind too. They need everything to be perfect—tyre pressure, compression sleeves, chain waxed to perfection & "go-faster" tri-suits. But if something goes wrong, it can be a real meltdown moment.
Jamie Russell
Yeah, the Stickler’s need for perfection can actually backfire. If you’re so rigid that you can’t adapt when things go sideways—like a puncture that won’t seal—you’re setting yourself up for stress. And the Hyper-Rational might miss the bigger picture, like how a subjective feeling like "comfort" can actually make you faster over a long race.
Emily Carter
It’s a good reminder that our mental game is just as important as our equipment. If we let our Saboteurs run the show, we can end up making choices that don’t actually serve us—and limit our enjoyment of the sport.
Chapter 10
Being aware of how Saboteurs Limit our Possibility
Unknown Speaker
What I think is just so cool about Jamie's catch is that our Saboteur thinking is so invasive and "normal" that we don't even notice it most of the time.
Jamie Russell
It's the water we all swim in, right?
Unknown Speaker
Exactly, so what do we do about it?
Emily Carter
Well, the Positive Intelligence Saboteur Assessment is where I'd start. It's online, confidential and free. It takes just a few minutes and you'll have a report. Most people feel the assessment really nails it. Once you see it in black and white it's a real "Ah-Ha" moment.
Jamie Russell
The assessment helps us to understand which Saboteurs are strong in us.
Unknown Speaker
Yes, once it's pointed out it's kind of obvious. I think it also "normalizes" our reactions. I mean, it's not just us. It's the human condition to have these Saboteur ways of thinking. We all have them to a greater or lesser extent.
Jamie Russell
So, when you know what to look out for, the next step is to develop the skill of awareness for how and when these inner critics—these Saboteurs—are influencing our decisions. Imagine this skill as a "radar" - just gently monitoring how we are thinking.
Unknown Speaker
Well, this has been great! I am not quite persuaded to go tubeless but I can see that some Avoider and maybe Hyper-Vigilant influence has held me back from trying TPU. It's a perfect example of where unexamined thinking can hold you back. Thank you Jamie.
Jamie Russell
You're welcome. It's not the time to go into this but Positive Intelligence's Sage powers really help to counter this "default" condition thinking. It’s about shifting from a reactive, Saboteur-driven mindset to a proactive, Sage-driven one. John, you could really have used "Explore".
Unknown Speaker
You're right. This is not for now, but I just have to offer this to Emily. Would you mind Emily?
Emily Carter
Not at all - go for it.
Unknown Speaker
It's actually not just for Emily. I think triathlon attracts people with Hyper-Achiever Saboteurs.
Jamie Russell
You mean when one sport just isn't enough - you have to have 3?
Unknown Speaker
Yes, that's a part of it. But, Emily, if you could get deeper into the Sage Power of self-empathy then I would hope you would see that your self-worth is not tied to any performance or results. That you have nothing to prove - least of all in a hobby like triathlon. You, like everyone else, are worthy just as you are. That means having your own back, even when you make a mistake, or have a bad race. So, my wish for you is to explore unconditional self-acceptance. Maybe it would deepen your intrinsic joy in training and racing? Letting it be more about the process itself—the effort, the outdoors, the connection, the challenge—rather than being conditional on the outcome. I hope you don't mind me saying.
Chapter 11
Conclusion
Emily Carter
John, thank you. I don't mind at all. I hear what you are saying. I love how this all comes full circle. It’s not about being pro-tubeless or pro-clincher—it’s actually more important to be pro-you. Self-worth isn’t tied to your race result or your tyre choice. Whether you set a new PB, have a DNF, or just enjoy the ride, you’re still the same amazing human. I need reminded of this over and over.
Jamie Russell
Absolutely. Don’t let a decision get you down. Make the best choice you can, learn from it, and know that every experience moves you forward. There’s no such thing as a “bad” decision—just more information for your journey.
Emily Carter
So, everyone what’s one small step you can take today to embrace this mindset in your training? Maybe it’s trying a new tyre, or just letting go of the need to be perfect. Maybe you'll look up the Saboteur Assessment at PositiveIntelligence.Com Whatever it is, enjoy the process—and trust that you’re enough, no matter what.
Unknown Speaker
Well, I didn't expect this episode to turn out this way - but I'm very glad it did. It's been very easy to agree tat what matters is selecting the best tyre quality we can afford, choosing a wider tyre and running that tyre at a lower pressure - using an online guide. The rest is a matter of choice. Thanks everyone for joining us on the MindFit-Athlete Podcast. Emily - thank you for your vulnerability. And Jamie, thank you for your excellent (in the moment) coaching. And to all of you listening, keep exploring, keep learning, and we’ll see you next time.
Emily Carter
Thanks, John. Thanks, Jamie. Take care, everyone!
Jamie Russell
Cheers, you two. See you all soon!
